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  2. Interesting conversation. It struck me that many of the “emerging” modes of worship, service and spiritual discipline that the participants were attracted to aren’t really exclusive to Emergence Christianity. In many ways those are being re-discovered across all strains of Christianity.

    Most of the Post-Modern attitudes expressed by McLaren and Tickle are finding their way into confinement within (rapidly dying) Liberal Christianity; which makes sense. As Modernism dies out, the forms of Christianity that have chosen to conform to the secular world will shift to Post-Modernism.

    McLaren found some influence throughout Evangelicalism about 5-10 years ago. I think his openness to new forms of worship and spiritual practice kind of served as bait for his heterodox ideas. There was a general uneasiness with his quest but it wasn’t obvious where he’d land. With the release of “A New Kind of Christianity” McLaren more clearly stated what many had feared and interest in his ideas dropped sharply. At the turn of the decade Brett McCracken pointed out that the conversations about Emergent Christianity had largely been resolved in Evangelicalism.

    My own church had many conversations about this stuff and you can see where we landed here: http://www.rockharbor.org/media/rh-position-papers/is-rh-becoming-an-emergent-church/

    1. Postmodernism has already lost out in favor of a transitional hybrid of modernist, neo-orthodox and postmodernist values. Many cultural scholars are calling it post-postmodern or metamodern though a label really hasn’t stuck. McLaren is not a postmodernist; not that he isn’t affected, even shaped, but his “emergent” Christian advocacy is very PPM. As long as those reacting against “emergence” as a heterodox invasion of postmodernism they are missing out on the main worldview of influence. Big-E Evangelicalism hasn’t “resolved” anything about the dialogue, and I say this as a little-e evangelical.

  3. Dan, thanks for introducing to Katie Langston to a larger audience than she has had thus far. She was articulate and thoughtful as always.

  4. Dan, thanks for introducing to Katie Langston to a larger audience than she has had thus far. Dan, Thanks to introducing Katie to your audience. She was articulate and thoughtful as always. May her influence and intelligence spread widely.

  5. Dan, Thanks for introducing Katie to your audience. She was articulate and thoughtful as always. May her influence and intelligence spread widely.

  6. Dan, thanks for introducing Katie to your audience. She was articulate and thoughtful as always. May her influence and intelligence spread widely.

  7. I’m one of those mentioned by H. Parker Blount who found it impossible to remain within Mormonism. I was born and raised in a devout Mormon home but found the whole thing very dissatisfying on multiple levels. I left as a teenager in the early 90’s and after a reactionary identity crisis of doing all the things forbidden by Mormonism, I eventually embraced the transforming grace found in the message of Jesus. While this clearly marked a new and redemptive direction for my life, I found myself still unimpressed with what I saw in the realms of religion. Many years later, I discovered the works of Brian McLaren, among others, which has been encouraging beyond words.

    The following words of Jesus sum up my journey in a nutshell:

    “Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you’ll recover your life. I’ll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won’t lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you’ll learn to live freely and lightly.” (Matthew 11:28-30 from The Message)

    1. It’s funny how we tend to be different on surface. But for me, the LDS Church has afforded a spiritual home that has helped me on the way to lifting others’ burdens. I can’t say I’ve been able to do very much but at least I read the New Testament the way you outline there.

      Then there is that perfectionist striver who seems to think that the Grace will be applied only after we’ve done our all. No, it’s when we accept Jesus’ invitation and let him into our hearts, then Grace becomes the power to change us, if only step by step, one day at a time, only as fast as we are able. One is not required to run faster than one has strength, is what I read.

  8. Western Institute of Intercultural Studies is working with Brian McLaren’s publisher on this latest book to get a modestly-costed speaking engagement arranged in Salt Lake City. If you know sponsors or venue leads please get in touch with them at info@wiics.org. Would be nice to see it happen!

  9. I have been part of the “E” movement for about 8 years now, all started by McLaren’s “New Kind of Christian” book. I am a co-leader of an emergent cohort here in the Atlanta area, where about 20 of us “exiles” meet once a month to openly discuss theological (and political) issues that are typically “not encouraged” in Sunday school environments. We have Christians, post-Christians (Evangelicals, Baptist, Catholic, Episcopal, Presbyterian), atheists, Jews, Muslims that participate. I am totally fascinated by the parallels struggles you guys discussed on part 2. Progressive Mormons are not at ALL presented in the media (tho progressive Christian voices are usually not heard either – just the fundamentalists!) and to have discovered you guys gives me great hope! I also listened to your survey episode – it just reinforces some of the same reasons people have left conservative and mainline churches. I wanted to pass on to you a cohort “map” so that some of your listeners might connect to our local conversations – it might broaden the sense that they are NOT alone, that this “E” conversation is happening all around them, and that their voices are wanted and needed. http://emergentvillage.org/newev/?page_id=29

  10. Thanks for this podcast, I enjoyed the conversation and presentation of the topic. I am not surprised to find out that there are many having this discussion of what is termed Emergence Christianity, but I was not aware the topic was so mature and defined.

    Just as media (music, movies, games) and news is becoming vastly decentralized with the explosion and adoption of the internet, a similar non-reliance on a central institution is clearly influencing personal religious attitude. For rank-and-file Mormons I think it is game changing to even recognize and acknowledge that the landscape of society is changing in this way. I think it can, and should, influence our discourse with each other and with those not in our church.

    One thing that struck me again in this podcast (it has been mentioned in previous episodes) is the fact that the LDS church is organized such that you attend a specific congregation based on where you live rather than picking and choosing the one that suits you. I agree that there are positive and negative aspects to this. My concern, especially in the context of the topic of this episode, is that the potential negatives are much more damaging to someone that is struggling with these or other issues than the positives are to someone in that situation. I’m not 100% certain this is a true statement, but it is something that weighs on my heart and mind the more I listen to (and enjoy!) podcasts from the Open Stories Foundation family of podcasts.

  11. One interesting idea is that when King James says “the Kingdom of God is within you” some better translations say “among” and I have been told by more knowledgeable people that the word he was reported in the Greek NT to have used includes both meanings.

    So the Kingdom of God will be on the Earth, when we transform our lives to follow the Sermon on the Mount ideals. This includes lots of “hippyish” concepts like World Peace and more.

    Israel, Israel, God is calling. Are we too busy to e.g. help a homeless guy sleep a bit more comfortably? Just saying you want to love your neighbour doesn’t really cut the mustard.

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