335: Hope

HopeIn commenting about Hope, Patrick Mason writes: “The three great Christian virtues are faith, hope, and charity. The first and the third receive significant attention, but hope—like many middle children—sometimes gets lost in the shuffle” (Planted, 123). Mason is right. How often do we examine this important virtue/quality/gift/fruit? In this episode, Patrick Mason, Brian Hauglid, Bridget Jack Jeffries, and Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon try to remedy this neglect, diving into various facets of Hope: what it is, how it is gained and allowed to flourish, and its various guises within religious as well as secular systems of thought. The panel also examines specifics of Christian Hope—including its sense that for believers, in the end they know Christ and justice and mercy and all virtues will emerge triumphant—and in what ways this sensibility can serve both wonderful motivations to action and, at times, personal complacency. Jeffries also helps Latter-day Saints come to better understand differences and complements between Mormonism and Evangelical Christianity on this as well as a few other theological subjects. Each panelist also shares about personal trials in their lives and where their sense of hope finds its firmest footing.

Please listen to this terrific discussion, and then join in through the commenting system below!


Patrick Q. Mason, Planted: Faith and Belonging in an Age of Doubt (Maxwell Institute and Deseret Book, 2015)

334: Growing and Living a Fully Engaged Mormon Life

Once someone has begun to explore ideas and have experiences that are not outlined explicitly within the typical Mormon curriculum, it is often very difficult to find footing again within our own spirits, as well as among LDS family, friends, and communities. If one chooses to push through these difficult transition periods, however, many have found that wide and expansive aspects of Mormonism begin to unfold again, and that Mormonism can be a wonderful home once more for continued spiritual development. They find perspectives or learn from various experiences new ways to engage fully with nearly everyone they have always loved and lived their lives in orbit with, even if these others no longer are following similar adventurous paths, nor anymore really understand them and all they have and are going through.

This episode is a recording (with video also available) of a live event that took place on June 15th, 2016, in Salt Lake City, Utah. Hosted by Mormon Stories podcast as part of its live events series, this evening’s program was a conversation with several members of the church who have once more found peace within their Mormon journeys and who are engaging it and living their lives with energy and hopefulness within the tradition even while still fully aware of its many difficulties and challenges. The panelists are: Gina Colvin (Host of the A Thoughtful Faith podcast), Thomas Wirthlin McConkie (Author of Navigating Mormon Faith Crisis), and me, Dan Wotherspoon (Host of the Mormon Matters podcast). The convener and host for the evening is John Dehlin (Host of the Mormon Stories podcast). John’s guidance for the conversations was terrific and led to some wonderful discussions, sharing of insights, fun (and perhaps slightly “blue”) moments of genuine humor, and an overall fantastic evening. The close of the session also featured powerful and heartfelt emotions and questions from audience members.

Please listen (or watch!) and share your thoughts and ideas in the comments section below!

Here is the video of this event:


Thomas Wirthlin McConkie, Navigating Mormon Faith Crisis: A Simple Developmental Map (2015)

Mormon Matters Back to Full Functionality!

MM logoI am really pleased to announce the Mormon Matters website (and other features) have returned to full functionality following nearly a month of hell as we (along with all but one of the Open Stories Foundation websites were hacked and affected by malware). I am incredibly grateful to the hard work of John Dehlin and others he worked with in increasing our security protocols, updating the ways we loaded content to iTunes as well as to this site, etc.–though everything from your viewpoint here at Mormon Matters site should now work the same as before.

Two quick notes:

1. For those who subscribe to Mormon Matters and download episodes from iTunes or other podcast servicing systems, I am hearing that some of you need to now re-subscribe. We are so sorry for this inconvenience!

2. In rebuilding the site, we had to used cached content that necessitated our having to re-launch our most recent episode, 333: Mormonism and Future Generations (originally launched 2 June 2016). So it now shows a different release date.

Thank you for the many queries and worries and good wishes these past weeks from so many of you! It is so gratifying that you enjoy and value the conversations we host here at Mormon Matters.

333: Mormonism and Future Generations

Future MormonIn a wonderful new book, Future Mormon: Essays in Mormon Theology, Adam Miller sets his spirit and intellect loose on the important task of helping clear away debris and then suggesting some possible new framings for Mormonism that might appeal to coming generations. As he writes in the Introduction, “Every generation must live its own lives and think its own thoughts and receive its own revelations. And, if Mormonism continues to matter, it will because they, rather than leaving, were willing to be Mormon all over again. Like our grandparents, like our parents, and like us, they will have to rethink the whole tradition, from top to bottom, right from the beginning, and make it their own in order to embody Christ anew in this passing world. To the degree that we can help, our job is to model that work in love and then offer them the tools, the raw materials, and the room to do it themselves.”

In this episode, Adam MillerRosalynde Welch, and Jim McLachlan join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon for a discussion of Future Mormon and various themes in Adam’s thinking. What common question asked and heard in Mormonism seems too thin to lead us to “load-bearing” answers that might serve us well in the midst of “white knuckle” prayers? Is “truth” static, sitting in God’s mind or heart like a vault waiting to be opened and shared, or is the ideal approach to truth something more dynamic, something that calls on us each, in our lives, to “make” an idea or movement true, to see how far a truth can carry us? Are there more powerful ways to think of “grace” beyond its role in the Atonement and questions about our salvation? Have we in Mormonism skipped over some elements that the apostle Paul might claim are essential, “Christianity 101” kinds of things—and how can these animate our lives in fresh and powerful ways? The discussion moves fast, and at times perhaps might seem a bit too “insider-ish” (as the four panelists talk about things in a book most listeners will not have read), but those moments quickly pass and this is an immensely enjoyable conversation.

Please help continue the conversation by sharing your thoughts and questions below!


Adam S. Miller, Future Mormon: Essays in Mormon Theology (Salt Lake City: Greg Kofford Books, 2016)

Adam S. Miller, Grace Is Not God’s Backup Plan: An Urgent Paraphrase of Paul’s Letter to the Romans (2015)

Adam S. Miller, Rube Goldberg Machines: Essays in Mormon Theology (Salt Lake City: Greg Kofford Books, 2012)

332: Mercy

Mercy Matters coverMercy is a fundamental tenet of the Christian gospel and its descriptions of the attributes of God, and it certainly is a topic familiar to Latter-day Saints. But how often do we actually reflect upon it? Do we imagine it as simply a quality and an characteristic of God that we, too, should strive to attain and embody? Do we mostly think of it only in relationship to the Atonement and God’s grace?

In a wonderful book, Mercy Matters: Opening Yourself to the Life-Changing Gift, Mathew N. Schmalz, a Catholic theologian and teacher, as well as a frequent conversation partner with Mormons (including here on Mormon Matters), speaks of these things but also explores mercy in many other deep and compelling ways. What is mercy’s relationship to reconciliation with others, with “letting go” of ego and our desires to be right, with compassion? How might mercy interact in revealing ways with freedom, dignity, kindness, and truth? In the realm of our relationship with God, how does mercy mesh with forgiveness, suffering, death, and life? Mercy Matters explores all of these topics, but for a theological book, it does it in a very unusual way: it is not at all abstract! Instead, it is completely immersed in Schmalz’s own life, featuring reflections on incidents (many very difficult and not the sort of things one typically expects an author to reveal about himself) as well as on various moments of mercy he has experienced. It is personal, and vulnerable, and all the more powerful for it. I highly recommend this book–as do Fiona Givens and Alonzo Gaskill, my conversation partners, along with Mat Schmalz, in this episode. I believe you will enjoy our discussion very much.

Please listen and then share your reflections and questions in the comments section below!


Mathew N. Schmalz, Mercy Matters: Opening Yourself to the Life-Changing Gift (Huntington, Indiana: Our Sunday Visitor, 2016)

331: Reflections on Two Recent Talks and the Online Reactions They Generated

Excerpts from two talks by prominent General Authorities (one by Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, and the other by Elder Richard J. Maynes) have in the past two weeks generated a lot of buzz in certain online forums that many listeners to this program would be familiar with, most of it negative or sarcastic. The reactions came mostly to a few sentences from the talks, presented online largely without wider framing, and sometimes placed as part of memes designed to heighten the impact of the quotations and their being read in a particular way. The memes and presentations themselves suggest how a viewer or reader should react to the words being quoted. But is this a fair—”virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy”—way of presenting ideas, especially those with which we have an issue? Is it fair to the speaker? To the readers? Is it deliberate dissembling? Those who write or pass these along generally know that what they are doing is presenting to some degree a caricature of a speaker and her or his presentation, something deliberately distorting, and they also know that many who encounter the meme or quotations will most likely react the way the intend and very seldom will themselves chase down the fuller context.

In this episode, Kristine Haglund and Jon Grimes join Mormon Matters host Dan Wotherspoon to explore the two talks in question and what unfolded online. They each certainly take exception to things said in each talk, the way they were said, or in some other way wish various ideas had been presented differently, but they also attempt to give much fuller context to the speeches, their settings, and other factors that mitigate against much of the full-on negative or exasperated reactions that unfolded. The conversation also takes important turns in other directions, for instance toward the way Latter-day Saints (and others) read or use scripture, as well as about the nature of religious experience and how humans tell of them.

After closing the conversation with the two panelists, Dan Wotherspoon then speaks for a few minutes about another recent talk, the BYU commencement address by Elder L. Whitney Clayton, that he feels also suffers from distortions in certain online conversation about parts of it.

Please listen and then share your questions and comments below!


Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, untitled address to Tempe, Arizona, LDS Institute, April 2016

Elder Richard J. Maynes, “The Truth Restored,” worldwide devotional address given 1 May 2016

Eugene England, “On Spectral Evidence,” originally published in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 26, no. 1 (Spring 1993), version here from the Eugene England Foundation website

See below for link to the version of “Where Can I Turn for Peace?” by Chelan Hunt Clason recorded for the new Mormon Matters podcast bumpers